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Oil recommendations
- Cooler
- Admiral
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- Joined: May 22nd, 2018, 12:09 pm
- Vessel Info: 1995 Carver 330 Mariner
Twin 350XL Crusaders
Home port: Menominee, MI - Location: Green Bay, WI
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Re: Oil recommendations
( All weather people have to say this on air, near lakes )
- KandJ72
- Scurvy Dog
- Posts: 38
- Joined: November 17th, 2020, 11:03 am
- Vessel Info: '76 Carver Mariner 3395
Twin 351W Vdrives
Refit in process - Location: Central NY
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- CYO Supporter
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- Vessel Info: 1998 Carver 355
Suspicious Fishes !
2022 Kawasaki 310X - Location: upper chesapeake bay
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- CYO Supporter
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Re: Oil recommendations
It will break up all the sludge the dino oil has left behind.
- Mississippi Voyager
- Scurvy Dog
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- Vessel Info: 1995 320 Voyager Twin Crusader 350XL's w/ V-Drives
- Location: Red Wing, Minnesota
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Re: Oil recommendations
Having flat tappet cams means your oil needs to have zinc plus phosphorous (ZDDP) to lubricate the cams. Most modern oil has removed this additive because it is not compatible with the Catalytic converters on cars. All racing oil and Diesel oil has this additive. Rotella Diesel oil is what I now use after all of this research. I went with the full synthetic (T6) 15w-40, but the semi synthetic (T5) or the regular version (T4) would also be OK. T6 is only 22 bucks per gallon at Walmart, so when I compare the cost of 2.5 gallons needed for my twins to my overall operation costs, it is insignificant. While this is marketed as a Diesel oil, it is fully compatible with gas engines that do not have catalytic converters.
The owners manuals for the older engines specify single weight oil, because that was the best available in the 80's and 90's. They later changed this spec in the manuals to 15w-40 as the recommended viscosity. Shell Rotella 15w-40 has just the right amount of ZDDP and the proper weight for our GM based engines with flat tappet cams. I found online compiled by a hot rod racing group of what oils have ZDDP. ( https://www.autorestomod.com/oil-zddp-list.html ). Or google Auto Resto Mod ZDDP. Most of the hot-rodders engines are flat tappet. If you google the subject "Flat Tappet ZDDP"you will come up with lots of info, but most of this is not generally known by the average boater. If your engines are 1996 or newer, you have roller cams and need not be concerned with ZDDP.
- Mississippi Voyager
- Scurvy Dog
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- Vessel Info: 1995 320 Voyager Twin Crusader 350XL's w/ V-Drives
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Re: Oil recommendations
You are correct, sir. For flat tappet engines (GM 1995 and earlier) Mobil 1 15w-50 is one of the variations of Mobil 1 that has the correct amount of Zinc and Phosphorous for our engines. Most of the Mobil 1 variations have 650 to 900 PPM (Parts per Million) of ZDDP, which is considered to be too low for flat tappet engines. Optimum is around 1200 PPM. 3 of the 37 variations of Mobil 1 have the right amount of ZDDP.
Mobil 1 15w-50 has 1200 PPM Phosphorous and 1300 PPM Zinc. That is the closest Mobil 1 makes to the ideal of 15w-40 with 1200 PPM ZDDP. This link will take you to a download of the PDF for all Mobil 1 oils and their ZDDP content: https://www.mobil.com/lubricants/-/medi ... 396657AC09
Mobil 1 15w-50 would be my alternate choice after Rotella T6 15w-40 1200 PPM ZDDP. (Again, for flat tappet cam engines). The Rotella is easier to find in my area and a little closer to the perfect spec.
- SunsetSteve
- First Mate
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- Joined: July 31st, 2016, 12:12 pm
- Vessel Info: 83 Carver Riviera 28
76 Albin 25 (outgoing) - Location: Gananoque
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Re: Oil recommendations
Manual for my so-far-not-used-by-me 1983 Riviera (laid up for winter in my yard) with a pair of Crusader 220s (300 cid I believe) calls for 10W30.
I still have 2x4liter jugs of T4 15W-40 Rotella from my Albin diesel days. As I stated on another thread here - the other Rotella thread - my thought was to buy a tonne of 10W30 from the marine store to do an oil change in the spring.
Back and forth she goes - o now rethinking using the Rotella . . . hmmmm
(Then to find the appropriate oil and fuel filters.)
Most info on the net addresses more modern versions of the Crusaders.
- RGrew176
- Admiral
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Re: Oil recommendations
2022 Stingray 182 SC
2004 Past Commodore
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