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Re: 2006 Carver 36 MY purchase pending
Posted: October 18th, 2018, 6:13 am
by Midnightsun
I would not worry about the swim platform as it is simply bolted on if I am not mistaken. Replacement/repair should be quite easy as it can be done in a shop, probably quite expensive but easy. Just make sure you get a firm quoted price to have this addressed at the owners expense. In other words the price of the purchase needs to be adjusted to reflect the deducted cost of fixing the swim platform.
When it comes to hard turning prop I would think the cutlass bearing is the culprit there.
Re: 2006 Carver 36 MY purchase pending
Posted: October 18th, 2018, 7:12 am
by Viper
Cliffm wrote:QR_BBPOST.....
- the the aft swim step is water logged....cost of fixing swim step?
Really depends on a number of factors such as door rate, material costs, and extent of damage which won't be known until it's opened up. We don't know the extent of the damage so it's difficult to comment on but you should at least negotiate the purchase price to cover a worse case repair or budget for a repair in the future. If you plan on mounting anything on the platform such as a dinghy, you should have the repair done right away.
Cliffm wrote:QR_BBPOST ....the swim step rub rail is "in the water" with two or more people standing on it......
This is concerning. Sounds like the platform is either mounted too close to the water or there's too much weight back there. Too much weight from carry-ons is one thing and can be managed, but if there is another underlying cause such as a waterlogged hull, that's a real problem. Did the surveyor offer up a possible explanation? During the sea trial, did anybody check to see if the platform was digging into the water when getting up one plane? Is this hull cored?
Cliffm wrote:QR_BBPOST...... port engine prop shift turns hard? motor alignment?....
Could be a number of things from engine alignment, bent shaft, misaligned strut, bad strut bearing, etc. Did you feel any vibration at any rpm range?
Re: 2006 Carver 36 MY purchase pending
Posted: October 18th, 2018, 9:30 am
by bud37
Cliffm wrote:QR_BBPOST Currently the boat is moored in Lake Union (fresh water) Previous "second" owner used it more for floating condo than travel, hence the "minor" drive train service. First owner did most of the engine hours.
Currently getting "full compression eval" performed for an additional labor fee...
pull out survey schedualed for next week.
We're hoping for moorage in Seattle Elliot Bay (salt water) for ease of access to surrounding puget sound area destinations without dealing with the locks in Ballard. So far nothing too scary to deal with, but additional surveys pending.
My only observation is, as it sits in the water, the bow seems a little high, and the stern seems low, with a slight list to the starboard side. The aft swim platform/deck lip on starboard side is almost touching the water? In other "web" photos of similiar 366 or 36 aft cabins, the swim step is close, but yet some sit higher? Any insights as to what causes this?
After reading all this again, is the platform one of those extended ones added on or just the factory version??
Seems a bit troubling that two people could push the stern of a 36' boat down....I am thinking you need to look into the water issues at the aft end of the boat a little closer.....good luck man...
Re: 2006 Carver 36 MY purchase pending
Posted: October 18th, 2018, 11:08 am
by km1125
What is " +3500K-constant"?
Also, why wouldn't you use rudders while on cruise? I know its fun sometimes to play with throttles for direction control, but not sure there's any value in that.
Re: 2006 Carver 36 MY purchase pending
Posted: October 18th, 2018, 3:14 pm
by Cliffm
Midnightsun wrote:QR_BBPOST I would not worry about the swim platform as it is simply bolted on if I am not mistaken. Replacement/repair should be quite easy as it can be done in a shop, probably quite expensive but easy. Just make sure you get a firm quoted price to have this addressed at the owners expense. In other words the price of the purchase needs to be adjusted to reflect the deducted cost of fixing the swim platform.
When it comes to hard turning prop I would think the cutlass bearing is the culprit there.
initially thought that too, except there's only 217hrs on the bearings, which is why the port engine alignment is in question now. starboard turns easy, from beneath the boat while in dry dock.
Re: 2006 Carver 36 MY purchase pending
Posted: October 18th, 2018, 3:14 pm
by Cliffm
km1125 wrote:QR_BBPOST What is " +3500K-constant"?
Also, why wouldn't you use rudders while on cruise? I know its fun sometimes to play with throttles for direction control, but not sure there's any value in that.
we were only doing 7mph
Re: 2006 Carver 36 MY purchase pending
Posted: October 18th, 2018, 3:19 pm
by Cliffm
bud37 wrote:QR_BBPOST Cliffm wrote:QR_BBPOST Currently the boat is moored in Lake Union (fresh water) Previous "second" owner used it more for floating condo than travel, hence the "minor" drive train service. First owner did most of the engine hours.
Currently getting "full compression eval" performed for an additional labor fee...
pull out survey schedualed for next week.
We're hoping for moorage in Seattle Elliot Bay (salt water) for ease of access to surrounding puget sound area destinations without dealing with the locks in Ballard. So far nothing too scary to deal with, but additional surveys pending.
My only observation is, as it sits in the water, the bow seems a little high, and the stern seems low, with a slight list to the starboard side. The aft swim platform/deck lip on starboard side is almost touching the water? In other "web" photos of similiar 366 or 36 aft cabins, the swim step is close, but yet some sit higher? Any insights as to what causes this?
After reading all this again, is the platform one of those extended ones added on or just the factory version??
Seems a bit troubling that two people could push the stern of a 36' boat down....I am thinking you need to look into the water issues at the aft end of the boat a little closer.....good luck man...
at the time water tank was full, beneath bed, so was HW heater, and starboard side fuel tank quarter full, while port side fuel tank was almost empty. Yesterdays surveyor said factory swim platform, (366 or 36MY the same) was water logged showing high moisture count. There was "old davit mount holes" with just RTV in them!!!
Re: 2006 Carver 36 MY purchase pending
Posted: October 18th, 2018, 3:27 pm
by Cliffm
Viper wrote:QR_BBPOST Cliffm wrote:QR_BBPOST.....
- the the aft swim step is water logged....cost of fixing swim step?
Really depends on a number of factors such as door rate, material costs, and extent of damage which won't be known until it's opened up. We don't know the extent of the damage so it's difficult to comment on but you should at least negotiate the purchase price to cover a worse case repair or budget for a repair in the future. If you plan on mounting anything on the platform such as a dinghy, you should have the repair done right away. currently has Davis davit mounts, plus "old holes" with RTV in them them from different mounst? and 3" round access covers with removable covers. De-lamination is right side of factory swim ladder area.
Cliffm wrote:QR_BBPOST ....the swim step rub rail is "in the water" with two or more people standing on it......
This is concerning. Sounds like the platform is either mounted too close to the water or there's too much weight back there. Too much weight from carry-ons is one thing and can be managed, but if there is another underlying cause such as a waterlogged hull, that's a real problem. Did the surveyor offer up a possible explanation? During the sea trial, did anybody check to see if the platform was digging into the water when getting up one plane? Is this hull cored? port fuel tank was empty , starborad tank was 1/4 full, fresh water tank was full as well as HW heater. plus some water in aft bilge due to overflowing aft shower box sump.
Cliffm wrote:QR_BBPOST...... port engine prop shift turns hard? motor alignment?....
Could be a number of things from engine alignment, bent shaft, misaligned strut, bad strut bearing, etc. Did you feel any vibration at any rpm range?
no vibration per-say, both surveyor and broker said it felt normal/smooth. so port engine alignment is in question.
Re: 2006 Carver 36 MY purchase pending
Posted: October 18th, 2018, 8:46 pm
by Viper
I would expect a vibration with a poor engine alignment. Did you stand in the aft cabin while underway? Sometimes you could pick up a vibration there that isn't noticeable at the helm.
Hours aren't always the deciding factor regarding the condition of a strut bearing. Running conditions, alignment, and previous impacts all affect bearing wear no matter the hours on them.
I know the platform on that model sits pretty close to the water but it shouldn't be submerging that far with people on it and full tanks IMO. The joint would always be wet and it's just a matter of time before the seal fails. Wonder if there's more going on than just a saturated platform. Is there an extension platform added on to the original molded-in platform?
Re: 2006 Carver 36 MY purchase pending
Posted: October 21st, 2018, 1:44 pm
by Cliffm
Back to the aft swim platform, seller's broker is going to have it opened up and waterlogged balsa replaces with composite.
As the the swim platform position/height above water line, it seems the boat with bow thrusters/diesels sit more level, more bow down/stern up, than the boats with BB/SB V8's and no bow thruster... as far as I can tell, trolling pics on the web.